Faith ([info]labile) wrote,
@ 2007-04-11 19:47:00
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Entry tags:911, rants, work

a rant. :D
I put this rant previously in a community (as a comment to someone else's post), but unfortunately that post was deleted. So! You all get the pleasure of hearing my rant.

The movies have lied to you. :O

Please, please, please, for the love of god, don't call 911 from a cell phone and drop it and think that we'll automatically respond.

Here is the 911 system's cell-phone policies, and agreements with cell phone companies.

1. When you call 911 from a cell phone, we get one of four types of information.

---> The most basic comes in as "CELL." All we get is your cell phone number, not a damn thing else.

---> A step up is "phase 1 wireless." This is the most common cell-phone type for the 90's and early 00's, which generates the address of the cell tower off of which your signal has bounced. Wee. So if you're calling from an interstate, we get the address of the tower 8 miles east of you at the time of your call. This information does not update if your signal switches towers.

---> The very best we can get is "phase 2 wireless." This includes later model phones, and provides us with a decent GPS location. I say decent, because it's not really that great. We can pinpoint your location at the time of your call, within 100 meters. What does that mean to you? Well if you're in a very crowded city, in an apartment building, in apartment 612, it means we have the location of... your city BLOCK. And maybe a few of the surrounding blocks.

---> The third type (and this is the testiest) is the cable phone (such as vonage). Vonage only recently struck an agreement with 911 to offer their service. When it originally came out, it had no 911 capability, so you had to dial your 10-digit 911 number to get the 911 office you needed -- and when it came in, we got nothing. No name, no phone number, no location. NOTHING. You could be calling from Wayling, Washington, and we could receive your call in Florida and have no clue where you came from or how you got there.

2. When you call 911 from a cell phone, we have three different types of responses.

---> If you call and hang up, with no voice contact, we attempt to call you back. If we get voice-mail, we're done with the call. We drop it. There's nothing else we can do.

---> If you call, make voice contact and hang up, we attempt to call you back. If you gave us an address before we lost your call, we'll go to that address. If you didn't, and you weren't in a dire emergency (that we could determine), we drop the call. That's it. Nothing else we can do.

---> If you call, make voice contact and drop the phone (leaving an open line), we try to stay on the line. This is just so we can hear if anything bad is going on. If we hear nothing, we hang up.

If we hear something, we stay on the phone. If we hear something bad (shouting, gunshots, etc.), we'll call your cell phone company. Someone else in our center has to call the cell phone company while the original calltaker stays on the line. They get your subscriber information, and pray that your address is the place you're calling from -- because if it's not, you just wasted a phone call.

The cell phone companies have an agreement with 911 agencies that they will only give out subscriber information if there is a PROVEN life or death situation in progress. I cannot get your information if it didn't sound like you needed immediate help. Many cell phone companies differ on this issue, so you should probably contact your company and see how strict they are -- some of them require us to provide them written documentation as to the cause of the emergency, along with tapes of you screaming into the phone, etc.





Now let me give you a scenario. You call 911. You scream into your cell phone, and you hang up.

This requires me to attempt to call you back. I waste 40 seconds doing so, and get voice-mail. While I'm doing so, I find your cellular company (listed on our screen), and I desperately search for the number I need to call for "compliance requests" for your specific phone company.

I hang up and call the phone company. I listen to their voice-mail system. I get to an operator, state my name and organization, my call-back number, your cell-phone number, and the nature of the emergency (you screamed into the phone). I have just wasted another 2-3 minutes. I hang up.

They're required to call me back and verify that I'm actually with the agency/number I gave them. I wait for them to call. This takes anywhere from 3 to 6 minutes.

I get your subscriber information (which is whatever you gave as your address when you signed up with your cell phone company), put it into my system, and dispatch a unit to that address. Hopefully you're there. If you're not, you just wasted about 7-10 minutes of your life (which, if you're in an emergency, is probably all the time you had) by not giving me an address.

So in the future, if you need to call 911, please be kind enough to spit out an address, a street name, a business name, or a location of any sort, into your receiver before you drop your phone. It might just save your life.

Feel free to pass on the information. ~.~




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[info]bishop186
2007-04-12 12:37 am UTC (link)
I never really thought that the cellphone would give much of any information in the first place, but that's an interesting look into how the 911 system works. It's crazy and a bit scary that some services don't even support the 3-digit 911 number.

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[info]labile
2007-04-12 12:40 am UTC (link)
They were actually required by law to offer 911 after several people were killed trying to dial 911 on their cable phones and getting nothing.

There's one riveting phone call where a cable phone reached a 911 service in an entirely different state, and the poor girl on the phone had to listen to her parents being killed downstairs while she tried to understand why 911 wasn't coming to help. The entire family was slaughtered.

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[info]rosesnthorns65
2007-04-12 02:43 pm UTC (link)
...yikes.

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[info]bishop186
2007-04-13 02:35 am UTC (link)
O_o;; Crazy.

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[info]jakethejuggalo
2007-04-12 12:45 am UTC (link)
one of the selling points of the VOIP systems was that you could use it ANYWHERE in the world where you have internet access. for example, you can buy two units here, activate them, and then send one over to your family member in europe, so all your calls between each other stay as being local calls. that doesnt necessarily lend itself to being able to be found easily.

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[info]vareness
2007-04-12 02:06 am UTC (link)
That's a fantastic post. I'm actually going to be forwarding this information in emails to my family and friends. This is very important and valuable information--people need to know that they can't depend on their cellphone number being easily traced or that 911 can help them if they don't say anything.

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[info]labile
2007-04-12 09:19 pm UTC (link)
Hollywood has played up the misconception so much that people think the world is capable of things that are only meant as embellishments or fantasy. :\

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[info]lutine
2007-04-12 03:14 am UTC (link)
If my cell phone company has a general policy of say, requiring it be life-and-death, can I tell them specifically that if my number ever gets pulled up, I personally want them to give you guys my address no matter what?

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[info]labile
2007-04-12 09:20 pm UTC (link)
I honestly don't know. I'd say call them and speak to their security department... but I'm not sure they'd be able to accommodate you. :\

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[info]me_ninjakitty
2007-04-12 04:47 am UTC (link)
i wonder if it's the same sort of thing in Austrlia...

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[info]fear_lurks
2007-04-12 10:28 am UTC (link)
Australia?


I've heard the biggest problem in Australia is that people dial 911 (or 999 or some other overseas number) and wonder why they can't get through. The emergency number is 000, or 112 if you're calling off certain mobile phones. Not anything else.

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[info]me_ninjakitty
2007-04-12 10:32 am UTC (link)
it's really well advertised that is 000 here so i think who ever was telling you that was wrong. hell even a three year old knows it's 000 here.

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[info]fear_lurks
2007-04-12 11:06 am UTC (link)
Yup. It's both from a mobile phone. I looked it up to make sure.

http://www.emergencycalls.aca.gov.au/calling_emergency_services_from_mobiles.htm

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[info]me_ninjakitty
2007-04-12 11:09 am UTC (link)
cool

yeah for 000

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[info]c_eagle
2007-04-12 06:07 am UTC (link)
Very helpful.. thank you!

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[info]mysticaldream
2007-04-12 11:55 am UTC (link)
Thanks. That is good to know. I had to call once from my mobile phone and they were quite helpful.

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[info]labile
2007-04-12 09:20 pm UTC (link)
We're usually helpful as long as you stay on the phone.. lol. ^_^

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[info]rosesnthorns65
2007-04-12 02:46 pm UTC (link)
Wow... thanks for the info! I gotta show my mom this...

I had no idea (being a youthful 14 and never having to call 911 before... though my sister did, and she reached the right one) that you could reach a different state's service... yeesh.

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[info]celticelff
2007-04-12 05:36 pm UTC (link)
Blogged and e-mailed to a few non-blogging friends.

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[info]wolfstonecraft
2007-04-14 10:35 am UTC (link)
I'll pass this on to my friends who don't believe there's any good reason to keep a land line in their flats.

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[info]alanthion
2007-04-24 11:19 pm UTC (link)
Wow. Thats kind of disturbing.

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[info]met_amphetamine
2007-05-27 03:20 pm UTC (link)
Damn, that's scary. I worry now about my s.o., who only has a cellphone and no sense of direction.

Thank you for this. I'll be linking it to my journal.

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[info]ebayer
2007-05-27 03:20 pm UTC (link)
If you call 911 from a cell phone in Arizona, you have to tell the dispatcher where you are, because they probably have no idea. Not even which county.

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[info]tempusfrangit
2007-05-27 03:24 pm UTC (link)
Depends on which dispatch and where in AZ you are. Stop acting like the OP with your broad generalizations.

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[info]ebayer
2007-05-27 03:33 pm UTC (link)
they still have not got this fixed, per my information. (I work at a newspaper.)

from http://www.azleg.state.az.us/legtext/45leg/1r/summary/s.2625fin_revised.doc.htm

" In Arizona, when wireless phones are used to call 911, the 911 operators cannot get a location of the caller nor can they return the call if disconnection occurs because the wireless phone does not register a phone number in the system. "

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[info]ebayer
2007-05-27 03:36 pm UTC (link)
and more from feb 23, 2007:
http://www.paysonroundup.com/section/localnews/story/27558

"Unfortunately, the Enhanced 911, with automatic address display, is not available through your cell phone. "

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[info]tempusfrangit
2007-05-27 03:36 pm UTC (link)
Then how did they tell me where I was when I stopped on the 60 E outside of Globe and there was a minor accident? :\

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[info]ebayer
2007-05-27 03:44 pm UTC (link)
I have no idea. I know they are working on enhanced 911, but that it has not been fully implemented yet. I'm glad it worked for you!
If doesn't work where I live, in Gila County.

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[info]ebayer
2007-05-27 03:45 pm UTC (link)
Which is weird because Globe is in Gila County, too. (I'm up in the mountains.)

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[info]tempusfrangit
2007-05-27 03:51 pm UTC (link)
Maybe could be because my phone's a Maricopa county number? :\ I dunno. I just know it worked.

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[info]ebayer
2007-05-27 04:06 pm UTC (link)
That's great! I'm glad it worked.

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[info]tempusfrangit
2007-05-27 03:50 pm UTC (link)
I was in Gila county for a long while too, like I said, I was on the other side of Globe when I pulled over to offer help at an accident. They just confirmed which mile marker I must have passed, I told them what little information I had about where I was (first time out that way) .. and they showed up roughly 10 minutes later. So, it was pretty neat.

Came in handy since I hadn't really paid attention to mile markers because I wasn't due to turn off for another 40 or so miles.

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[info]thedeathbolt
2007-08-10 04:10 am UTC (link)
Well, that's helpful, and a little scary.
It's nice to have cartoons to go to when the real world is just too scary.

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